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Author:  RubioTerra [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:57 am ]
Post subject:  Byzantine Textform 2005 NT with accents, parsing, lemma, etc

Hello brethren! God be with you!

I put some effort into building the "definitive" module for the Byzantine Textform New Testament 2005, with everything that have been made available by Maurice Robinson and William Pierpont -- breathings, punctuation, capitalization, Strong's numbers, parsing data, lemmas, Byzantine variants and Nestle-Aland variants. Byzantine variants are toggleable with the V key.

If everything is alright, maybe Costas can turn it official.

Mathetes also created two Byz2005 modules (viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2256).

May/16/2012 -- Revision 1.1: TVM Strong# removed and the addition of new morphology dictionary.
April/25/2014 -- Revision 1.2: A few missing words were added.

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Author:  csterg [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Byzantine Textform 2005 NT with accents, parsing, lemma,

OK, some feedback pls from people before i replace anything

Author:  JG [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Byzantine Textform 2005 NT with accents, parsing, lemma,

This module now contains the spurious data from the KJV+TVM, that is tags that appear to be Strong's data tags, but they link to a dictionary module, that shows Tense Voice Mood, and other data.
Search for any "Strong's" tag above G5624 and you will see what I mean.
How has this data come to be in BP05FNL.ZIP ?

Also there appear to be many changes to Strong's numbers compared to the Byz from theWord site. Shouldn't they be the same?

Author:  RubioTerra [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:49 am ]
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JG wrote:
How has this data come to be in BP05FNL.ZIP ?
How could they not? I didn't use any source other than the ones indicated in the info (apart from the lemmas, obviously).

JG wrote:
Also there appear to be many changes to Strong's numbers compared to the Byz from theWord site. Shouldn't they be the same?
Again, I used the sources credited in the info section. Don't forget Byz from theWord website is the 2000 edition. This one is 2005 edition.

Author:  csterg [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:32 am ]
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I understand the differences, no problem.
The KJV+TVM i am worried about. I would like to clear this,
Costas

Author:  RubioTerra [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:03 pm ]
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csterg wrote:
I understand the differences, no problem.
The KJV+TVM i am worried about. I would like to clear this,
Costas
I don't think Robinson used the "KJV+TVM" numbering system. He had to add extra entries for forms not present in the TR. Here's a quote from http://koti.24.fi/jusalak/GreekNT/PARSINGS.TXT:
Quote:
In some cases, new words exist within the Koine Greek text that had
not appeared in the Textus Receptus upon which Strong's numbering
system had been based. In such cases, the new word is located
either under a relatively appropriate Strong's number, or has been
assigned a Strong's number that otherwise would no longer exist,
due to consolidation under the root lexical forms. One case in
particular is that of "ekperissou" and "ekperisswv," neither of
which exist separately in the TR: these have been assigned the
(otherwise now vacant) Strong's number 4055, thus retaining a
single common root, and that in close relation to other words
containing some form of "periss-".

But I think the point here is -- did I use a trustful source? Since I didn't edit or manipulate even a single Strong number (anybody can check it, it's open), once the credibility of the source be verified there should be no question left. By the way, I did a quick check and the sources from http://byztxt.com also have extra Strongs. I used the ones from http://koti.24.fi/jusalak/GreekNT because they are more recent.

Author:  csterg [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Byzantine Textform 2005 NT with accents, parsing, lemma,

Rubio,
can you check if the RMAC covers all morph codes?
Costas

Author:  RubioTerra [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Byzantine Textform 2005 NT with accents, parsing, lemma,

Indeed, we have 124 morph codes not included in RMAC along with the 129 extra Strong entries.
I'll consider creating a specific dictionary for Byz2005 parsings.

Author:  csterg [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Byzantine Textform 2005 NT with accents, parsing, lemma,

RubioTerra wrote:
Indeed, we have 124 morph codes not included in RMAC along with the 129 extra Strong entries.
I'll consider creating a specific dictionary for Byz2005 parsings.

The question is this: do you need to create a different one, or we just need to update the existing RMAC?
I mean are there missing entries, or are there entries mapped to wrong info?

I hope the first is the case so we don't have 2 RMACs.
Costas

P.S. By the way, I have been thinking that morphology codes could be well coded in a simple 'language' definition at the end of an .ont file instead of having a separate .dct with all the different combinations... what do you think? -this is a technical question of course-

Author:  mathetes [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:50 pm ]
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What's the possibility of getting Friberg's Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament and Taylor's Analytical Lexicon to the Septuagint and forget all about needing morphology codes in any Greek module?

Author:  csterg [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Byzantine Textform 2005 NT with accents, parsing, lemma,

mathetes wrote:
What's the possibility of getting Friberg's Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament and Taylor's Analytical Lexicon to the Septuagint and forget all about needing morphology codes in any Greek module?

This is not possible, sorry.
The royalties required for Friberg's ANLEX cannot be covered with sales so there is no way to get it,
Costas

Author:  Manuel [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:14 pm ]
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But what about Taylor? or the ABP lexicon?

Author:  csterg [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Byzantine Textform 2005 NT with accents, parsing, lemma,

Manuel wrote:
But what about Taylor? or the ABP lexicon?

ABP: i have tried to contact the ABP person responsible several times but i have no answer.
I have no info on Taylor whatsoever. Some info pls?
Costas

Author:  Manuel [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:06 pm ]
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csterg wrote:
I have no info on Taylor whatsoever. Some info pls?
Costas
Here's what I found.

http://www.hendrickson.com/html/product ... tegory=all
http://www.hendrickson.com/html/contact_info.html

God bless,
Manuel.

Author:  JG [ Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Byzantine Textform 2005 NT with accents, parsing, lemma,

RubioTerra wrote:
Indeed, we have 124 morph codes not included in RMAC along with the 129 extra Strong entries.
I'll consider creating a specific dictionary for Byz2005 parsings.


Hi, RĂºbio, please understand that the 129 "Strong's" numbers that you mention, (I know they are in the data, I looked) are codes that "Online Bible" uses to indicate Tense Voice Mood. If you check it you will see that they match the RMAC codes, so these 129 "Strong's" numbers can be removed from the data.
Do you see my point?

@Costas, do you see it? My guess is that one of the texts is made for Online Bible, OH here it is...

Attachment:
OLB BYZ.jpg
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I got some different figures for the RMAC codes, I have 62 unique to theWord RMAC and 47 unique in the BYZ2005++ Bible.

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