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Author:  JG [ Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bugs in the Westminster Hebrew Morphology module

Thank you for noticing this and reporting. It is something to do with a change made in theWord Bible view for build 1470.

Author:  garfunkel [ Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bugs in the Westminster Hebrew Morphology module

You're welcome.

Author:  RevSteve [ Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bugs in the Westminster Hebrew Morphology module

I haven't been testing the module in beta but is the wow consecutive counted as 2 words?
"And" "so and so"?
Does this only happen on wow consecutives?
Just asking since I don't know one way or the other.

Author:  Teksun [ Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bugs in the Westminster Hebrew Morphology module

@RevSteve
Quote:
I haven't been testing the module in beta but is the wow consecutive counted as 2 words?
"And" "so and so"?
Does this only happen on wow consecutives?
Just asking since I don't know one way or the other.


I am going to answer this as a question about the waw consecutive and not about the beta errors for the module as it appears that is what the question is about. While Costas would prefer issues of translation out of the forums, this answer should suffice.

The waw consecutive serves several purposes, one of which "flips" the translation of a perfect or imperfect verb-> imperfect verb and waw = and he will save; imperfect verb and waw consecutive = and he saved.

It also unites two, or more, statements in the text, in this case, it is usually/many times translated "then," such as in Gen. 1:3. It unites what was just said in v2 with what is about to be said in v3 as a continuous event with no gaps in time.

It is interesting to study the waw consecutives in the creation account. Based on the grammar of Hebrew, they are evidence for six literal days of creation.

Sorry Costas...

Author:  csterg [ Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bugs in the Westminster Hebrew Morphology module

Teksun wrote:
I am going to answer this as a question about the waw consecutive and not about the beta errors for the module as it appears that is what the question is about. While Costas would prefer issues of translation out of the forums, this answer should suffice.

That's fine, no worries. This is a translation/explanation issue, not a dogmatic one.
Costas

Author:  garfunkel [ Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bugs in the Westminster Hebrew Morphology module

JG wrote:
Thank you for noticing this and reporting. It is something to do with a change made in theWord Bible view for build 1470.


I've seen that new beta versions have come out, but it seems to me that this bug still isn't completey fixed, is it?

I don't have the problem anymore in Ex 19:16 with "charad", but still f.e. in Is 53:11 with "tsadaq". See the pictures below.

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Author:  JG [ Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bugs in the Westminster Hebrew Morphology module

As you have noticed, it is still broken. You will find that it is usually a word that is at the end of a row, or at the wrap end of a row. If you change the width of the window you will find that the lemma will appear for the word that failed. It is a strange anomaly. We will just have to put up with it at the moment. I have no idea of any time scale for a fix.

Author:  garfunkel [ Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bugs in the Westminster Hebrew Morphology module

JG wrote:
... You will find that it is usually a word that is at the end of a row, or at the wrap end of a row. If you change the width of the window you will find that the lemma will appear for the word that failed...


Thank you, I hadn't noticed that it depends on the window width. I can put up with that...

Author:  Teksun [ Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bugs in the Westminster Hebrew Morphology module

If you look at Jonah 1:2 - the word עָלֶיהָ from which is translated "against it" actually pulls up the wrong word in M-Strong and NASEC. When hovering it says the word is H5920 but it is H5922. When clicked MStrong pulls H5944 and NASEC pulls H5933. The parsing is correct, it is a preposition with a 3rd person singular pronominal suffix.

Author:  JG [ Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bugs in the Westminster Hebrew Morphology module

I don't know about these languages so I am just saying what I see is an issue.
This lemma is a Homonym and theWord does not know which one to choose (I guess the reader should use discernment).
However H5922 is an Aramaic origin, but this is Hebrew as the morph info shows a @
Am I correct in this?

Author:  garfunkel [ Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bugs in the Westminster Hebrew Morphology module

Teksun, you need to activate the checkbox "If there is a Lemma for the word, use it instead" in the Bible View Options.
Than MStrong will pull HS5920. This is because as JG writes, "This lemma is a Homonym (H2) and theWord does not know which one to choose". HS5921 would be the right Strong-Word. But as there are not strongs linked in the WHM module, the only way around that problem is to go manually to the second homonym in the MStrong Dictionary...see the pictures below...

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Author:  Teksun [ Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bugs in the Westminster Hebrew Morphology module

JG wrote:
However H5922 is an Aramaic origin, but this is Hebrew as the morph info shows a @
Am I correct in this?


You are correct, it is Aramaic in origin, but the morphology is showing Hebrew origin.

Author:  JG [ Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bugs in the Westminster Hebrew Morphology module

As I see there isn't any Aramaic in the Book of Jonah, so all words would have a Hebrew morphology.
To search for places where there is Aramaic of the word in question search m/עַל%*

Author:  jonathangkoehn [ Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bugs in the Westminster Hebrew Morphology module

WHM does not have Strongs built in so it probably works off of either Lemma or the Word visible depending on settings when trying to look up a Strongs word in NASEC or another Strongs based dictionary in this case it would probably find the first closet word in the strongs dictionary that may be linked to a strongs number.

In this case of Jonah 1:2 it brings up the incorrect strongs word. Perhaps due to Homonym or because of other similar words. If one is clicking on this word make sure Lemma is the last available option in the "Word click/lookup options" menu for the Bible view.

You may also want to verify that Lemma is turned on in the Word click options. Also make sure that "Perform the lookup on all checked items (don't stop at the first one)" is checked.

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